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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.investmentu.com/2009/December/healthcare-reform-bill-winners-and-losers.html#comment-32838</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avastin cannot cost $100,000 per year. Its price is capped at $55,000 per year. Do your research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avastin cannot cost $100,000 per year. Its price is capped at $55,000 per year. Do your research.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Rohe</title>
		<link>http://www.investmentu.com/2009/December/healthcare-reform-bill-winners-and-losers.html#comment-31890</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Rohe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all lose when the people want the government to
control their lives.  This government has doomed this nation and the future of our children with their spending practices.  They have made a serious mess of social security and medicare and what fool thinks they can handle the health care of the nation.  The financial sector had caused the world to shake, now healthcare for the people will stop when the world stops lending the funds to pay for us.  Wake-up people, you listening to snake oil salemen.     Merry Christmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all lose when the people want the government to<br />
control their lives.  This government has doomed this nation and the future of our children with their spending practices.  They have made a serious mess of social security and medicare and what fool thinks they can handle the health care of the nation.  The financial sector had caused the world to shake, now healthcare for the people will stop when the world stops lending the funds to pay for us.  Wake-up people, you listening to snake oil salemen.     Merry Christmas</p>
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		<title>By: Hcare Prof</title>
		<link>http://www.investmentu.com/2009/December/healthcare-reform-bill-winners-and-losers.html#comment-31807</link>
		<dc:creator>Hcare Prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think your stock advice is worth the time to read it. But, it is worth commenting on a specific industry. The Biotechs will get creamed by this bloated spending monstrosity!! As more people lose their jobs, and yes if this passes they will lose their jobs. Remember the unpredictability of the FDR admin during the great Depression is what caused many businesses to stop hireing well into the late 1930&#039;s.
 
Currently, the people know this will kill job creation in the U.S., e.g. look at the UNEMPLOYMENT rates in Canada and the UK, higher unemployment than the U.S. for socialized medical system examples. Does the Biotech business as we have here even come close in these and other socialized medical countries? I don&#039;t think so.  

Please don&#039;t lie about how Biotech will reap anything but disaster from this hellish legislation.

Hcare Prof Dislclosure: I have worked at Quest Diagnostics for over 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think your stock advice is worth the time to read it. But, it is worth commenting on a specific industry. The Biotechs will get creamed by this bloated spending monstrosity!! As more people lose their jobs, and yes if this passes they will lose their jobs. Remember the unpredictability of the FDR admin during the great Depression is what caused many businesses to stop hireing well into the late 1930&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Currently, the people know this will kill job creation in the U.S., e.g. look at the UNEMPLOYMENT rates in Canada and the UK, higher unemployment than the U.S. for socialized medical system examples. Does the Biotech business as we have here even come close in these and other socialized medical countries? I don&#8217;t think so.  </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t lie about how Biotech will reap anything but disaster from this hellish legislation.</p>
<p>Hcare Prof Dislclosure: I have worked at Quest Diagnostics for over 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Investment U</title>
		<link>http://www.investmentu.com/2009/December/healthcare-reform-bill-winners-and-losers.html#comment-31749</link>
		<dc:creator>Investment U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William, 

Bristol-Myers Squibb is still part of the &lt;em&gt;Xcelerated Profits Report&lt;/em&gt; portfolio.  For updates, be sure to check the latest issue.

Thank you, 

Investment U</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, </p>
<p>Bristol-Myers Squibb is still part of the <em>Xcelerated Profits Report</em> portfolio.  For updates, be sure to check the latest issue.</p>
<p>Thank you, </p>
<p>Investment U</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Brever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal Brever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much is the DNC paying this guy? Latest estimate is $10K per family for coverage. Who is going to be able to afford this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much is the DNC paying this guy? Latest estimate is $10K per family for coverage. Who is going to be able to afford this?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Tyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Tyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an investor and so rarely read this in my mail box.  Although a lefty, I was glad to see someone talking candidly about the winners and losers.  If a family of 4 pays about $10,000 a year for health insurance, and Congress adds 40,000,000 new customers, that&#039;s a $100,000,000,000 boon to their premiums.  As an insider pointed out on Frontline, for-profit health insurance companies make 20% from their premiums meaning a $20,000,000,000 bonus per year.  Can Dems expect some quid from than quo come 2010?  We&#039;ll see.  My prism is political and I&#039;m surprised Republicans didn&#039;t go along.  Political theater, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an investor and so rarely read this in my mail box.  Although a lefty, I was glad to see someone talking candidly about the winners and losers.  If a family of 4 pays about $10,000 a year for health insurance, and Congress adds 40,000,000 new customers, that&#8217;s a $100,000,000,000 boon to their premiums.  As an insider pointed out on Frontline, for-profit health insurance companies make 20% from their premiums meaning a $20,000,000,000 bonus per year.  Can Dems expect some quid from than quo come 2010?  We&#8217;ll see.  My prism is political and I&#8217;m surprised Republicans didn&#8217;t go along.  Political theater, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: jacksmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacksmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MANDATES MUST GO! THE FILIBUSTER MUST GO! It&#039;s undemocratic. It was created to subvert democracy and the will of the people. The Constitution Of The United States only calls for a simple majority vote in the Senate (51 votes). The Senate should pass the strongest Public Option it can with 51 votes by Reconciliation.

The Senate bill is a Swisses cheese of loopholes for the insurance industry. Without a strong Public Option, insurance reforms in the bill are worthless and have no teeth.

CRITICAL!! From jacksmith - Working Class

My Fellow Americans and People Of The World

A strong Government-run MEDICARE like Public Option is CRITICAL!!

A Medicare Buy-in at 55 is a GOOD! idea. But!, not a substitute for a strong Medicare like public option CHOICE for everyone. Nor is the (FEHBP). Without a strong public option on day one the Senate health-care bill is a disaster for the American People and the World. Therefore you must KILL!! it. Without a strong public option the health-care reform bill is MUCH WORSE! than what we have now, and what we have now is a catastrophe. SO YOU MUST KILL!! IT.

What is proposed in the Senate is the worst case scenario for health-care reform. It would shift trillions of taxpayer, public and private dollars into the hands of the private insurance industry (The single most costly, deadly and dangerous product sold in America). And it would compel by law millions of Americans to financially support this oxymoronic criminal enterprise. You cant have a MANDATE WITHOUT A STRONG PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE!

You will have NO! realistic way of controlling cost and quality. Cost will continue soaring through the roof bleeding the American people dry, and KILLing our economy. And our quality of healthcare will continue to decline below our current ranking of &quot;WORST! quality of healthcare delivery in the developed World&quot;.

H1N1 IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

I have to tell you now that the H1N1 virus is a man-made WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION! and TERROR! It is a WEAPONIZED version of a flu virus. It has swept the planet infecting millions. And causing a global pandemic that has killed tens of thousands, and injured millions.

The H1N1 virus is the product of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! It was released in the U.S. in Texas in early January of this year, but not recognized until around April in California. The reason I know this is because when it came to America, it came to see me FIRST! How sweet...

This was around the time the MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! assaulted the Whitehouse with all their devils deals to cripple and weaken YOUR! healthcare reform. Especially your right to have a single payer system like HR676 (Medicare For All) which most of you wanted.

They don&#039;t even want you to have your HUGE!!! compromise position of a strong government-run MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. To compete with their DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, MURDEROUS, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT PRODUCT (The single most costly, deadly and dangerous product sold in America).

They also wanted to take away your rights to have your government meet it&#039;s responsibility to use it&#039;s full power to regulate, negotiate, and control drug cost, healthcare cost and quality. Something every other civilized country in the developed World has done for it&#039;s people. Their Greed! moral degeneracy and lack of patriotism knows no bounds.

Many of you will remember that before we knew about H1N1. I posted a open message to the President and Congress warning them to be vigilant about their health, and cautious about any medical advice they received. As I said then &quot;they will not hesitate to try and hurt you&quot;.

The U.S. and the World have been under a BIOLOGICAL TERROR ATTACK! for over a year now. It is CRITICAL that We The People Of The United States take away control of our healthcare system from the GREED DRIVEN MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

For our own National security, and the security of the world.

A Strong, government-run, MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. Available to everyone on day one, with the full unfettered power of the federal government to regulate, negotiate, and control cost and quality. Would be the most workable way to deal with this global crisis at this time. Including patent suspensions as needed for national security or the greater good.

As an American I invite the peoples of the World to help us fix our healthcare crisis. And bring pressure on our government to meet it&#039;s responsibility to protect global security by controlling, and removing the corrupting influence of GREED and the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT motivations from healthcare in the U.S. and around the World.

I call on the governments of the World and the global intelligence community to track down these MASS MURDERERS, and bring them to justice. CONNECT THE DOTS! And be vigilant that they don&#039;t slip in another viral strain on you under the cloak of H1N1 sequestration.

Further, the proposed patent protection on biologic&#039;s must be stripped from the US bill. And greatly shorten/restricted, or abolished completely. This is a grave danger to humanity and global security.

I think President Obama is doing the best he can at playing the disastrous deck of cards he inherited from the previous administration. And I think he is doing an excellent job. But the wolves and devils of the medical industrial complex! are trying to exploit, and take advantage of his good heart, and desperate desire to help suffering Americans. But we must be strong and insist that healthcare reform be done right for the American people. Or everyone loose&#039;s.

This is all I can say in a message post. I&#039;ll try to find a way to tell you more later.

God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings

jacksmith - Working Class

p.s. The so-called nominal H1N1 virus is designed in such a way as to make it more lethal to children and young adults. The medical community must be more vigilant of secondary bacterial infections in the young caused by H1N1. And remember, a viral infection is also a transfer of genetic code to you. Think about it, and be vigilant. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MANDATES MUST GO! THE FILIBUSTER MUST GO! It&#8217;s undemocratic. It was created to subvert democracy and the will of the people. The Constitution Of The United States only calls for a simple majority vote in the Senate (51 votes). The Senate should pass the strongest Public Option it can with 51 votes by Reconciliation.</p>
<p>The Senate bill is a Swisses cheese of loopholes for the insurance industry. Without a strong Public Option, insurance reforms in the bill are worthless and have no teeth.</p>
<p>CRITICAL!! From jacksmith &#8211; Working Class</p>
<p>My Fellow Americans and People Of The World</p>
<p>A strong Government-run MEDICARE like Public Option is CRITICAL!!</p>
<p>A Medicare Buy-in at 55 is a GOOD! idea. But!, not a substitute for a strong Medicare like public option CHOICE for everyone. Nor is the (FEHBP). Without a strong public option on day one the Senate health-care bill is a disaster for the American People and the World. Therefore you must KILL!! it. Without a strong public option the health-care reform bill is MUCH WORSE! than what we have now, and what we have now is a catastrophe. SO YOU MUST KILL!! IT.</p>
<p>What is proposed in the Senate is the worst case scenario for health-care reform. It would shift trillions of taxpayer, public and private dollars into the hands of the private insurance industry (The single most costly, deadly and dangerous product sold in America). And it would compel by law millions of Americans to financially support this oxymoronic criminal enterprise. You cant have a MANDATE WITHOUT A STRONG PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE!</p>
<p>You will have NO! realistic way of controlling cost and quality. Cost will continue soaring through the roof bleeding the American people dry, and KILLing our economy. And our quality of healthcare will continue to decline below our current ranking of &#8220;WORST! quality of healthcare delivery in the developed World&#8221;.</p>
<p>H1N1 IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!</p>
<p>I have to tell you now that the H1N1 virus is a man-made WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION! and TERROR! It is a WEAPONIZED version of a flu virus. It has swept the planet infecting millions. And causing a global pandemic that has killed tens of thousands, and injured millions.</p>
<p>The H1N1 virus is the product of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! It was released in the U.S. in Texas in early January of this year, but not recognized until around April in California. The reason I know this is because when it came to America, it came to see me FIRST! How sweet&#8230;</p>
<p>This was around the time the MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! assaulted the Whitehouse with all their devils deals to cripple and weaken YOUR! healthcare reform. Especially your right to have a single payer system like HR676 (Medicare For All) which most of you wanted.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t even want you to have your HUGE!!! compromise position of a strong government-run MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. To compete with their DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, MURDEROUS, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT PRODUCT (The single most costly, deadly and dangerous product sold in America).</p>
<p>They also wanted to take away your rights to have your government meet it&#8217;s responsibility to use it&#8217;s full power to regulate, negotiate, and control drug cost, healthcare cost and quality. Something every other civilized country in the developed World has done for it&#8217;s people. Their Greed! moral degeneracy and lack of patriotism knows no bounds.</p>
<p>Many of you will remember that before we knew about H1N1. I posted a open message to the President and Congress warning them to be vigilant about their health, and cautious about any medical advice they received. As I said then &#8220;they will not hesitate to try and hurt you&#8221;.</p>
<p>The U.S. and the World have been under a BIOLOGICAL TERROR ATTACK! for over a year now. It is CRITICAL that We The People Of The United States take away control of our healthcare system from the GREED DRIVEN MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!</p>
<p>For our own National security, and the security of the world.</p>
<p>A Strong, government-run, MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. Available to everyone on day one, with the full unfettered power of the federal government to regulate, negotiate, and control cost and quality. Would be the most workable way to deal with this global crisis at this time. Including patent suspensions as needed for national security or the greater good.</p>
<p>As an American I invite the peoples of the World to help us fix our healthcare crisis. And bring pressure on our government to meet it&#8217;s responsibility to protect global security by controlling, and removing the corrupting influence of GREED and the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT motivations from healthcare in the U.S. and around the World.</p>
<p>I call on the governments of the World and the global intelligence community to track down these MASS MURDERERS, and bring them to justice. CONNECT THE DOTS! And be vigilant that they don&#8217;t slip in another viral strain on you under the cloak of H1N1 sequestration.</p>
<p>Further, the proposed patent protection on biologic&#8217;s must be stripped from the US bill. And greatly shorten/restricted, or abolished completely. This is a grave danger to humanity and global security.</p>
<p>I think President Obama is doing the best he can at playing the disastrous deck of cards he inherited from the previous administration. And I think he is doing an excellent job. But the wolves and devils of the medical industrial complex! are trying to exploit, and take advantage of his good heart, and desperate desire to help suffering Americans. But we must be strong and insist that healthcare reform be done right for the American people. Or everyone loose&#8217;s.</p>
<p>This is all I can say in a message post. I&#8217;ll try to find a way to tell you more later.</p>
<p>God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings</p>
<p>jacksmith &#8211; Working Class</p>
<p>p.s. The so-called nominal H1N1 virus is designed in such a way as to make it more lethal to children and young adults. The medical community must be more vigilant of secondary bacterial infections in the young caused by H1N1. And remember, a viral infection is also a transfer of genetic code to you. Think about it, and be vigilant. <img src='http://www.investmentu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kay Jewell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay Jewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cut in payment for Medicare Advantage is appropriate - they are getting paid more for the care they provide than care would cost in fee for service.  The cut is long overdue.

You didn&#039;t mention the impact on physicians - every year physicians fight to stop the cut in Medicare payments - it&#039;s up to 20% due to be cut in payments in 2010 unless Congress acts.  Putting more patients into Medicare and Medicaid creates a false sense of access - it costs a clinic $45 to get paid on a $25 claim for Medicaid.  There are disincentives to taking Medicaid patients as it is now.  Medicare is quickly approaching the same state of affairs - physicians cannot take more of these patients and remain financially solvent.   
Hospitals and doctors may eventually get paid for care for the high risk patients - but they will still have to deal with the costs during the 6 month wait for insurance.  For a patient with cancer, diabetes, heart disease - 6 months is a long time, alot of care missed or costs accumulating, a lot of stress and anxiety and debt.  
The plan puts a higher burden on the patients and families with chronic health problems - including our parents and children.  The wait for insurance and increasing amount for tax purposes puts a higher burden on the patient and families with chronic illness - who already have a higher burden taking care of family members who are not in the hospital and should be or who are discharge early to shorten hospital stays.  Family incomes suffer, health of family members is worse, out-of-pocket expenses are signficant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cut in payment for Medicare Advantage is appropriate &#8211; they are getting paid more for the care they provide than care would cost in fee for service.  The cut is long overdue.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t mention the impact on physicians &#8211; every year physicians fight to stop the cut in Medicare payments &#8211; it&#8217;s up to 20% due to be cut in payments in 2010 unless Congress acts.  Putting more patients into Medicare and Medicaid creates a false sense of access &#8211; it costs a clinic $45 to get paid on a $25 claim for Medicaid.  There are disincentives to taking Medicaid patients as it is now.  Medicare is quickly approaching the same state of affairs &#8211; physicians cannot take more of these patients and remain financially solvent.<br />
Hospitals and doctors may eventually get paid for care for the high risk patients &#8211; but they will still have to deal with the costs during the 6 month wait for insurance.  For a patient with cancer, diabetes, heart disease &#8211; 6 months is a long time, alot of care missed or costs accumulating, a lot of stress and anxiety and debt.<br />
The plan puts a higher burden on the patients and families with chronic health problems &#8211; including our parents and children.  The wait for insurance and increasing amount for tax purposes puts a higher burden on the patient and families with chronic illness &#8211; who already have a higher burden taking care of family members who are not in the hospital and should be or who are discharge early to shorten hospital stays.  Family incomes suffer, health of family members is worse, out-of-pocket expenses are signficant.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Coffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Coffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with comments 1 thru 4. I&#039;ll bet most people don&#039;t understand what public option really means.</description>
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